The first time I came across you was about three years ago, and I remember even then if anyone was to talk to you it was clear how much focus you had towards your craft. I remember that you'd talk about your ideas and plans for making an album, the goal of it, and now years later we're here. How does it feel to have the record out?

It feels surreal. Making this record was a very intense process for me in all ways. Having it finished means I can exhale.


How did the experience of crafting the album contrast with your expectations of making it?

Making the album was much larger of an undertaking than I expected. I was really hands on and was executive producer. I worked with some insanely talented producers who were so collaborative and challenged me to push myself. The process taught me how to put my foot down and when to listen to others. Sometimes I felt totally scattered and insane, others I felt organised and focused. I feel like I am better for having made this album.


What I find to be so strong about the album is each song can stand on their own, and yet they work beautifully as a cohesive piece of work. Some artists strongly prefer their tracks to not work in cohesion, while others strive for the harmony of that. When it came to Somewhere In Between, what was it about the harmonious aspect of the album that felt the most important to you, specifically how someone would experience it?

My goal was to have each song be able to stand on its own outside of the album. I'm happy that is coming across. In their independence, I definitely wanted to have a cohesive album. I came to find that my voice, melodies and style could be that cohesive thread which allowed me to push the production in some different places on some songs. I wanted to make something that would hold people's attention.


'Phase Me Out' is a strong single, and it exemplifies what I love about your music. We had a chat once where you said, "if pop music can't be relatable to a real experience, then what's the point?" Does that feel like a mantra of sorts for you? I bring that up because I feel like 'Phase Me Out' reflects that quite a bit.

Absolutely. All the songs I write are personal and analysing my own experiences. I just throw it all out there and let people interpret and relate as they want to.


Another thing I've always admired about you is how much thought you go into presentation. It's never contrived or forced, it's always in mind that music is an experience and should be as complete as possible. I've always wanted to ask, who inspired that for you? Was it a musician or artist of another medium; that you witnessed and the idea of presentation/experience became prominent?

Finding the right presentation has been hard for me. I've always felt messy. Visually, I'd look at The 1975 or Banks and marvel at how whole those worlds felt. I think embracing my messiness and owning this semi distorted surrealistic world I exist in has started to hone in the visuals and experience.


By the time our readers read this, you'll have performed a show in London. What have your experiences been like playing in Europe and the UK?

I love touring Europe and the UK. It's still amazing to me that people across the world will come to my shows. I always assume no one will show up.


Touring has been a constant for you, especially last year and even the first few months of this year. Everyone talks about the obvious financial reasons as to why artists tour often, but there is also a fulfilment element to touring the songs you've made and playing them in front of people. What does touring so often mean to you?

Touring is what I love most. Once the album is out, I won't listen to it again, but I get to reimagine and reinterpret the songs live. I love travelling, driving 10 hours straight to venue, meeting people and the energy of a live show.


I've brought it up before, the last time we talked, and I'm sure many other people talk it to death with you. But there's a really amazing sense of pride in caring about someone's music and knowing how fiercely independent they are. This album and all your music thus far have been fully independent releases. Years ago, people would've associated independent as lesser than, but over the last decade, we've seen it turned on its head massively. Your project, album, and everything contradicts any negative idea someone would have towards someone being independent. The quality of your work speaks for itself, and it's amazing seeing that. My question, is what does being independent mean to you and your vision? Why does it matter to you?

Being independent is really important to me. I think independence can come in a lot of forms, but for me, growing my project slowly and maintaining ownership of my music and vision has been ideal. I never want to be stuck. I always want to be moving forward and growing. I also want to make the music I want. It's a slower more painstaking process in a lot of ways, but I wouldn't trade this for anything.

Somewhere In Between drops on June 23rd via Kobalt. You can stream new single 'When You're Gone' below.