Charlene Kaye is one of the lead singers of the band San Fermin. When not with San Fermin, she is also a fierce solo artist, whose songs make you rethink what you thought you knew of femininity and the word "pop". Ken Grand-Pierre sits with her in Chelsea, Manhattan sat to discuss life in the dark new Empire, why our stances matter, songwriting as a form of liberation, and the importance of fighting what's expected of you. Check that out below, along with the video for 'Cheshire Kitten'.

“Movement is so much more intuitive than it is logical. When you see someone move a certain way, it elicits emotions in a way that words don't.”

You can visit Kaye by heading to her Twitter. You can subscribe to the 405 podcast on iTunes.